Friday, June 01, 2007
Last One Out...
...Turn off the lights.
- Walker Spaight on the recent court ruling invalidating the TOS in the Bragg case.
- Tateru Nino on Daniel Linden's recent ominous announcement.
- And all sorts of assorted other follow-up that I'm just too disgusted and tired to track down.
I don't have anything more to say about this, except to express my anger and outrage. Some assjack suing because his 'sploitz didn't work out may very well end up killing the next step in the evolution of the information age.
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Uhm, actually he isn't suing because of his not-working e xploit, but because of the 8000 US$ LL took from him when they kicked him out. How would you feel if you misbehave at a pub and get thrown out - but befor that happens, the bartender takes all your possesions?
And well, regardless of the case, the ToS _is_ heavily one-sided and leaves no guarantees and rights to residents, but all options without any arguments to LL. Which is something that is bugging me all the time - because SL is meant to be a place of creativity, they _call_ residents out to produce things in SL.
But what if your account gets terminated? All inworld cre ations are not reachable for you any more. All the money you put in to your land, all the time you put in to your creations - gone.
Think that in combination with the recent post by Daniel Linden about morale-policing in SL, and you can easily see the first case where someone is kicked out and loses access to his/her stuff, because of false accusations and over-reaction on LLs side. Will you still call for having that swept under the rug, then?
And well, regardless of the case, the ToS _is_ heavily one-sided and leaves no guarantees and rights to residents, but all options without any arguments to LL. Which is something that is bugging me all the time - because SL is meant to be a place of creativity, they _call_ residents out to produce things in SL.
But what if your account gets terminated? All inworld cre ations are not reachable for you any more. All the money you put in to your land, all the time you put in to your creations - gone.
Think that in combination with the recent post by Daniel Linden about morale-policing in SL, and you can easily see the first case where someone is kicked out and loses access to his/her stuff, because of false accusations and over-reaction on LLs side. Will you still call for having that swept under the rug, then?
Uh, Barney, I'm not calling for anything to be swept under the rug. I just don't have a whole lot of sympathy for some schmuck that knew for an absolute fact that what he was doing was fraudulent- it wasn't just high spirited drunken hijinks at the local pub, it was deliberate outright theft- who turns around and screws over an entire community because be got caught and punished in the normal fashion.
But yes, fine, give him back the US$ equivalent for his Lindenbucks. Transfer them to a Linden created disposable alt and give him a week to cash it out using the Lindex, preferably without allowing him access to the grid in the process. But, yes, his virtual goods and land are still forfeit under such provisions. I have no solution for that. I'm sure not going to get behind allowing him to stay on the grid for N more days to liquidate. I think we can all see where a "banned in a week" system would lead.
The problem here is that there is no other punishment for flagrant wrongdoing in SL. Perhaps that is what needs to somehow change. But I don't see how. The ultimate result here, worst case, is the RL courts making banning illegal (which is ultimately going to have to be the technical result, anyway- you can't ban people from the web, either). Banning or suspension of any sort is illegal confiscation of goods, viewed that way. One would hope that, somehow, an SL court of appeals would come out of this. But I doubt it. The result is going to be the least-effort, least-cost, least-liability solution. So, in short, yeah we're screwed.
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But yes, fine, give him back the US$ equivalent for his Lindenbucks. Transfer them to a Linden created disposable alt and give him a week to cash it out using the Lindex, preferably without allowing him access to the grid in the process. But, yes, his virtual goods and land are still forfeit under such provisions. I have no solution for that. I'm sure not going to get behind allowing him to stay on the grid for N more days to liquidate. I think we can all see where a "banned in a week" system would lead.
The problem here is that there is no other punishment for flagrant wrongdoing in SL. Perhaps that is what needs to somehow change. But I don't see how. The ultimate result here, worst case, is the RL courts making banning illegal (which is ultimately going to have to be the technical result, anyway- you can't ban people from the web, either). Banning or suspension of any sort is illegal confiscation of goods, viewed that way. One would hope that, somehow, an SL court of appeals would come out of this. But I doubt it. The result is going to be the least-effort, least-cost, least-liability solution. So, in short, yeah we're screwed.
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